Thursday, January 24, 2008

Empress Place Beef Kway Teow: Teochew Beef Kway Teow got no gravy one!

With SCS Butter


Did you realise that most of the hawker food that we are familiar with are less than a century old? It's true! A few of our most famous heritage stalls can trace their roots back to around the early 1900's. That makes it about 3 or 4 generations from then till now. There are a few very famous names which have span 3 or 4 generations and inevitably they would have created some sibling rivalry along the way. Names like Beach Road Prawn Noodle and Rochor Bean Curd immediately come to mind.

Then of course there is the famous Hock Lam Beef Kway Teow which is the subject of our discussion today. Yes, the man who made famous the Teochew style Beef Kway Teow bestowed the business to his 4th son, Anthony because he did not do so well in school. But later on the youngest son also wanted a piece of the "Hock Lam" name. So the only legitimate owner of the Hock Lam franchise is the one at China St whereas the "Popular" Hock Lam Beef Kway Teow at Purvis street is considered the illegitimate one though both are brothers and thus share in the family recipe.

But that is not all, the patriarch, Mr Tan Chin Sia also had a daughter who also decided to go into the Beef Kway Teow business, but she started selling it at Empress Place and called hers Empress Place Beef Kway Teow instead. It did very well, but unfortunately had to close down during the MadCow epidemic in the late eighties. Fortunately for us, the Brand was resurrected again in few years ago when her son decided to bring back the familiar Beef Kway Teow that he used to eat at his grandfather's stall.



So much for that little bit of Beef Kway Teow history, back to a more tasty subject.

Have you ever wondered why Beef Kway Teow is called Kway Teow even though most of the time you eat it with thick bee hoon? Well, there are really two types of Beef Kway Teow in the market, the Hainanese style and the Teochew Style. The familiar one with the thick bee hoon and thick sticky gravy is in fact Hainanese style. According to David, there are very few stalls apart from his that sells true blue Teochew style beef kway teow. True Teochew beef kway teow is never served with thick bee hoon and there is never any thick gravy. David said that his Grandfather will turn in his grave if he realised what had happened to his Hock Lam St beef kway teow.

Instead, Teochew style beef kway teow uses normal kway teow and the dry version is served with just a dash of sesame oil, soy sauce and chilli. Now I was skeptical at first, but with my first mouthful of the kway teow, I realised what I have been missing. The kway teow was indeed very fragrant and the slices of beef were cooked medium and were very tender. Unexpectedly good! My favourite was the cooked beef and the tendons which were very "pang" and had an uncomplicated beefy flavour. The soup was also sweet and robust which David attributes to having the bones simmer in the soup for over 2 days. 4.5/5

Conclusion

I tend to believe that Teochew beef kway teow was originally served this way because of the fact that kway teow is used and also that the Teochews in general prefer most of their food to be "cheng" (not heavy). So the sticky gravy I think is more likely to be Hainanese in origin. Any food historians amongst our readers who can shed more light on this?


Empress Place Beef Kway Teow
LTN Eating House

936 East Coast Road

11am to 11pm daily
Recommended by Damien

42 comments:

Keropok Man said...

That's an interesting history lesson. It seems that I have only eaten from the illegitimate one. LOL

Must try the other bro and sis if possible.


Oh yes, a very Blessed Bday! ;-)

sumosumo said...

oh goodie.. its in the east coast.. v convenient... siglap area i see..

must try.. dont like the starchy versions here..

Camemberu said...

Happy birthday, Leslie!

Oh yes, this beef kway teow I have been wanting to try...looks good!

Billybong said...

Just my personal experience: the lady selling the beef kuay teow is a real stucuk-up at times, and extremely stingy with the ingridients.

Bowls start at $5/- for dry. And overall, i dun fin their stuff anything fantastic.

ieat said...

Did you get the right place?

Bowls start at $4 and the seller is a guy. His name is David.

Anonymous said...

They are located opposite all the coffee joints at Siglap. Should try the Vadai in the same coffee shop. Its also very good, light and crispy.

Adriane

sumosumo said...

ohhh... this is the place people living in the east call it siglap beer garden.

tried this beef hf before. not bad. 3.5 - 4 region.

the vadai is not bad.. although fried dough is fried dough to me...

not sure if this blog has blogged about it yet, but the hainanese chze char a few doors away, just behind the bus stop, serves relatively good stuff. nothing too fancy, but quite decent 3.5 - 4 rating hainanese pork chop, sambal kang kong, pipa dofu etc. (Jin Wee Coffee Shop, 928 East Coast Road)

Kong-Kay said...

the beef koay teow in kuching and sibu are cooked mostly by teochews - no thick gray. no gravy variety found here. also the thai bangkok soup is the same; lots of teochews influence there too.

Anthony said...

Sometimes the stalled is manned by an auntie.

Starts from $4 onwards.

The dry version have to take with chilli. Doesn't taste nice without it as the isn't any thick gravy added. For those who do not take chilli take the soup version.

As to Gordon's asides from the vadai, the chicken pie, goreng pisang and other stuff are pretty good as well.

dead- said...

Ooh, finally a review at my favourite hangout kopitiam.. haha..

$4 for soup, $5 for dry if i'm not wrong right?

Didn't like it for that price, i'd rather eat the tze char stall in the same kopitiam or at Jin Wee.. I guess the illegitimate one's still the best.

McSocker said...

Changi Village Beef Kway Teow all the way....

recently just featured in sunday times

ahnialover said...

Dun like this Teochew style also, except the Ah Nias:) I also find the guy a bit stuck up, wonder is that the usual case ? Rather stick to my Hainanese beef noodle.

Anonymous said...

Yes the owner has quite an attitude... saw him verbally lashing a expat couple who mistakenly asked him to clear his used bowls on their table. He loudly lashed at them saying that it is not his job... its the cleaners... sigh.. I mean yes not your job but can just tell them nicely and at the same time get the cleaners to come clean right??? No he blasted them so loudly everyone in the coffee shop thought fight or something...

Our hawkers really need to remember... customer is money..... not punching bag for a bad day

Anonymous said...

The last post was by me. Forgot to sign off. Adriane

sumosumo said...

haiz... not another food nazi...?

actually its not just about hawkers and their customers.

its about basic decency and courtesy towards someone else right? no need to be rude, no need to be mean..

mummy's little pig said...

it's true that the version with the brown sticky gravy is hainanese. i think it's a standalone invention, and not an evolution from the teochew one.

in dialect it's known as "beef vermicelli". we only use thick bee hoon, never kway teow so i have no idea how/why people name it so.

Anonymous said...

there is another outlet also has the name [Hock Lam beef noodle] along the stretch of shops where the famous Punggol Nasi Lemak resides... tried their noodles, not sure are they related but definitely nothing to shout about......

Flavor said...

Wow that looks GREAT!

BillyBong said...

Hi Leslie,

Yes i got the place right. I've eaten there a couple of times before your review, but have since sacked them due to poor service. They have that: 'if you don't like then don't order lah, we don't need your $$$' attitude. It's simply condescending to patrons, and i certainly won't give her my business again.

Yes there is a lady who runs the shop, sometimes it's David, sometimes it's the lady.

Seriously, their beef kuay teow is decent, but nothing to crow about. In my opinion, far far overrated.

BillyBong said...

Oh and it's $5 if you ask for dry, not soup-based.

Anonymous said...

Nice food but parking problem.

Anonymous said...

Billybong is right, David has attitude problem. I wouldn't patronize his stall ever, even if it is the best beef kway teow in Singapore, JB or Batam (which incidently is not!)

Holy Drummer said...

I think the beef kway teow is nothing to shout about and the price keeps me away.

Other mentionable stalls are Gordon's Vadai and don't overlook the Fishball noodle stall. They serve a mean mini-pot noodles - I always eat it for dinner/supper during tuition days back then.

sumosumo said...

wah..looks like this site has become a place for food nazi bashing....

i think its the result of years of abuse by food nazis on their customers, and hence the pent up frustrations are being voiced out here..

someone should ask these hawkers to read the reviews on their service attitudes, and maybe it might wake up their idea.

ieat said...

You really think they would care? If they did they would have changed long ago!

sumosumo said...

from the comments, i m sure there are at least 10 - 15 readers who wldnt patronise the XO bee hoon place anymore...

maybe i m naive, or maybe the food blogging community is not that large...

prob wouldn't even make a dent on their business...

wait till some new upstarts come along, good food, good service, good attitude.. give them a run for their $$...

Anonymous said...

i think "taste" preference is absolutley priceless, if I really like the food, no matter how bad the service is and price (as long as I can still afford to buy it) It does not really matter for me, as eating indulgance is one of my favourite things to do in life

ieat said...

sumosumo, if you are talking about upstarts with good food, service and attitude, then Ya Kwang comes to mind. But the dynamics of the food industry is not so straightforward as demonstrated by the Ya Kwang case study.

Anonymous said...

Sumo, I dont think we are nazi bashing... rather as some might say we are human too so please treat us as humans. Honestly I think some of us here dont really expect to be treated like kings just because we are customers but then dont treat us like cannon fodder too....

Finally it always amazes me how Dr Lesile is able to get a fantastic service and food and followed by a fantastic review each time he visits this food nazis. I wonder perhaps we should all start whipping out large DSLRs and say we are food critics...:)

CK

ieat said...

My first visit was without my camera and David had no idea who I was. I think that if you visit them when they are not too busy and show some enthusiasm for their food, you would be surprised that they can be quite nice. And just to set the record straight, I don't go around telling people I am a food critic.

sumosumo said...

ANON - exactly what i said. its basic human decency to be nice to one another... not just about hawker/customer relationship.

leslie - u whip out your camera... straight away people will view you as some critic or blogger. its v common these day to see pple taking pictures of their food before they eat..

ieat said...

Yes but the first time I was there, I did not have a camera with me, but I still managed to have a decent conversation with him just because he was not that busy and I was showing interest in his beef kway teow. So don't always attribute it to the camera.

sumosumo said...

ok. but anyway for this chap, david, i didnt have a bad impression of him, last time i tried his kway teow. i asked him whether he was related to the hock lam one or any of the famous bkts, and he was telling me he was the youngest son of one of the sisters etc etc..

Anonymous said...

Forgive me Dr Lesile if I was misunderstood. I didnt say you profess to be a food critic and Im commenting not only on this stall but all the food nazis in general. Sometimes it makes me think are we realy mad or is the food laced with opium that people will endure abuse just to eat it. Examples. The xo bee hoon, Sin Huat Crab....

The part about taking out a DSLR is meant as a joke that perhaps that can get us better service and less scolding for being "notti" customers. :)

CK

chaozhouzi said...

Hi ieat,
I would agree with anon about the DSLR, remember your visit to Bt Merah View food centre? Your interview with Wow Wow West? Well, my next visit there for the chicken noodle, the auntie was extra attentive and throw in extra shrimp dumplings for my order. She think you and I are some newspaper's food critics.
Stopped going since then, was "brave" enough to revisit only recently.

Anonymous said...

I bought just the beef soup (no kway teow. There were like 2 beef balls and 3 slices of beef for $5.
Also, the amount of MSG inside was shocking.

The soup tasted delicious but i had a really bed migrane afterwards.

I also did not appreciate the boss standing among the tables and smoking away.

human taste buds said...

OMG! no gravy beef noodles...the only one i ate was at fareast square, hock lam beef, theirs is called gan lau mian...SUPERB! after your introduction, i went to try here...ggeeeeeeeeeeesh, u called dat nice....urm..no offence but r we toking abt human taste buds here???

went back to hock lam to satisfy my gan lau craze but too bad, due to the lack of one ingredient, the owner stopped the sale of this dish for awhile but the soup version was heavenly!!!!

here, the attitude of the owner sucks big time too!! i had to wait for 15mins for him to slowly stroooooooooolll his way back when even so he saw me standing there like an idiot 15mins ago!...

leehwajewees said...

Are beef tendons fat?

ieat said...

No they are mainly collagen

Anonymous said...

Having lived in Siglap all my life, this beef kway tiao used to cost $3. Then suddenly one day it jumped to $5. Quite shocking to find the sudden price hike, plus it appeared to have less beef slices with the new price. The guy also has a horrible attitude, can't stand it. Wouldn't eat there unless I'm really craving for it.

eh_seah said...

Tried J & J Special Beef Noodle at Old Airport Road, #01-162? It's Vietnamese-style beef noodles and the soup is oohhhh-so-good!!!

Comes with fresh basil and mint leaves upon request...

June

Alfie said...

I think the jump to $5 was sudden but was due to a lot of factors like supply chain increases in prices as well as operating costs. As far as price is concerned, I don't think that it is fair to say that it was unwarranted. Agree with the smoking bit but it is now so much better and cleaner after the renovation of the premises. All should try again.

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